In entrance of the readers of Parisienot, Bernard Tapie talked about his sickness, his authorized troubles, the disaster that the nation goes via but in addition talked about soccer, theater and cinema…
THE CANCER. "With metastases and at my age, the prognosis isn’t sure"
Fouzia Belkhir. How are you and the way is your most cancers progressing?
BERNARD TAPIE. First I need to let you know that the folks I meet on the hospital are nonetheless satisfied that there’s higher elsewhere. It's unsuitable ! The general public institutions are these by which one is healthier taken care of. Then I noticed after publicly revealing my most cancers that it’s a illness we don’t speak about, we don’t even dare say the title of. I agreed to speak about it to share this important factor: the vitality now we have has an influence in therapeutic. I say to the sufferers: I urge you, take it upon your self, attempt to take as little as doable of the merchandise that anesthetize. After all, there is no such thing as a superman, I take it too, however I attempt to withstand as a lot as I can to maintain my pure defenses on the highest stage.
Fouzia Belkhir. Regardless of every part, has your most cancers gotten worse?
The cancers I undergo from, with metastases and my age (Editor's notice: 77 years outdated), there is no such thing as a sure prognosis right now. After I was supplied to replay, twenty years later, "Flight over a cuckoo's nest", earlier than saying sure to this piece of insanity, I consulted my instructor. I requested him: me if I’d be, sure, no or possibly, in a position to play this piece in Could. I urge you to inform me the reality. He took my hand and mentioned, "Sure, it’s! "With my spouse, we had been in a state … So, I can be on the theater on Could 9, my instructor licensed it to me.
Omar Benlaala. I accompanied my father on this most cancers trial and it was very troublesome to seek out the best phrases. What phrases have moved, inspired or, quite the opposite, disturbed you?
The hospital is life for the higher and for the more serious. Excellent news in life turns into an enormous celebration within the hospital and unhealthy information in life turns into a drama within the hospital. Drugs lives what the nation experiences by amplifying it. Nonetheless, the nation resides in a completely unreasonable manner now, and in hospitals it turns into horrible. The nurses are overwhelmed, the sick are anxious. Solely division heads can calm the sport. However an important factor to say round you is that by no means earlier than has the progress of science been so speedy. Every week there’s a discovery! Even with the worst most cancers, you might be by no means fucked up.
Fouzia Belkhir. Did you share, on the time, with François Mitterrand about his sickness and this quest for spirituality that most cancers had sparked in him?
He known as it "the forces of the thoughts." However we weren't made the identical. Principally, François Mitterrand was not a believer. I'm. We had been due to this fact not asking the identical questions. He puzzled about life after dying. He was very clever and seemed for the best causes to consider me. I’m a believer. It’s apparent to me. This isn’t the case of everybody. Go speak about like to somebody who has by no means been in love, it's unimaginable!
JUDICIAL AFFAIRS. "In jail, they made me a lifetime of horror"
Audrey Guetat-Gomez. In the Credit Lyonnais case, you need to repay 400 million euros. Are you a ruined man?
This topic solely issues me and my household. However, as a taxpayer, you must know that the state, via Crédit Lyonnais and due to offshore preparations, made a revenue of two.5 billion euros on the sale of Adidas. Personally, I solely acquired 280 million euros earlier than tax, together with the loss. Relaxation assured, I introduced some huge cash to French taxpayers.
Fouzia Belkhir. Do you will have every other pending court docket circumstances?
No, however the lesson I’ve realized from my judicial expertise is that the nation goes loopy. Let me clarify: concurrently the rip-off of which I used to be the sufferer on the a part of the Credit score Lyonnais, the bosses of this financial institution took in america, for the same operation, months in jail suspended, a journey ban for rip-off and virtually $ 1 billion high quality within the Govt Life case. In France, we most well-liked the trail of arbitration that the left needed to cancel as quickly because it returned to energy by claiming that there had been fraud. To present you an concept of the turpitude, my lawyer was criticized for having distorted the arbitration by appointing a former president of the Versailles Court docket of Enchantment who had participated with him in 4 arbitrations – two received and two misplaced – whereas the workplace of the arbitrator appointed with our settlement by Crédit Lyonnais, Jean-Denis Bredin, had been the lawyer for Lyonnais for forty years. Upon listening to a easy bogus police report, the court docket of attraction quashed the arbitration. Nonetheless, six years later, the correctional trial resulted within the full launch of all of the accused, however the arbitration stays canceled in civil (Editor's notice: the Paris prosecutor's workplace has appealed this launch).
Fouzia Belkhir. Within the OM-VA case, you went to jail. What was the toughest half?
I went to jail when Mr. Montgolfier, the prosecutor who despatched me there, admitted years later, in this system "Un homme, un destin", that if he needed to do it once more he wouldn’t do it once more , that it didn't deserve that. In jail, in Luynes, they put me in full isolation, they made me a lifetime of horror.
What’s your worst reminiscence ?
Sooner or later I get up at 4 within the morning. I’m summoned to Paris by an investigating choose whose six indictments had been, six years later, led to six dismissals. I make eleven o'clock in the midst of summer season in a cell van by which it was 50 ° C and I spend the evening within the "mousetrap", on the Palais de justice de Paris. Within the morning, I’m taken to the choose’s workplace, who simply tells me that she’s including an indictment to me. All that for that … Thank God, on my return, I skilled the other with a automobile journey and with a gendarme who, on the first cease, lent me his telephone in order that I may name my spouse. (He immediately stops on the verge of tears.) In life, there may be at all times rubbish and other people with hearts.
POLITICS. "Marine Le Pen can win in 2022"
Audrey Guetat-Gomez. You had been François Mitterrand's minister, you supported Nicolas Sarkozy within the 2007 presidential election. Are you left or proper?
I didn’t help Nicolas Sarkozy, I used to be in opposition to Ségolène Royal.
As a result of I knew her! Frankly, I consider that she doesn’t have the qualities essential to be president of the Republic. There are others on the left. There isn’t any photograph, for instance, with Christiane Taubira, whom I do know nicely since she was on my checklist on the Europeans in 1994. If I take Bernard Cazeneuve and Ségolène Royal, there is no such thing as a photograph both. President of the Republic, it’s a appreciable operate, it takes somebody ultra-armed.
Audrey Guetat-Gomez. What do you consider Emmanuel Macron?
I don't know him, we by no means tried to see one another. He’s usually accused of being clumsy. For instance, when he mentioned it was sufficient to cross the road to discover a job. It’s a disgrace as a result of it’s true. The stake is capital: both he succeeds and he will be thought-about, together with by those that hate him right now, and God is aware of there are, as the primary to have inscribed the nation sooner or later with all its constraints. Both the confrontations, the rejection continues and we won’t get better. You can’t dwell lengthy in a rustic the place the civil servant hates the one who isn’t, the younger hates the outdated, the unemployed hates the one who works, the white hates the black, and so on. France has at all times introduced quite a bit to the remainder of the world in all fields: cultural, social, financial … At present it brings nothing however the shameful instance of a rustic gone mad. After I see that, within the final demonstration, the violence reached its apotheosis and absurdity since firefighters faced police, I say: cease, we're loopy!
Audrey Guetat-Gomez. Do you nonetheless help the motion of his authorities, and particularly the pension reform?
What must be achieved for pensions? Two issues: a common plan and guidelines which bear in mind the specificity of everybody, no matter their enterprise. As a result of one has a troublesome job, the opposite is sick, the third has no job. Two-thirds of staff who retire are unemployed and instructed that they need to work longer. That is loopy! As for individuals who need to depart as quickly as doable, it’s for almost all that they do a job that they don’t like. We should supply them coaching that provides them entry to a job that appeals to them. The tragedy, my kids, is that in lower than fifteen years, 30% of workers will not have a job as a result of their career will not exist. If we don't put together for the longer term now, just like the Individuals and the Chinese language do, we can pay dearly for it.
Gérard Verroy. In your opinion, can Marine Le Pen take it in 2022?
After all. There isn’t any purpose right now to suppose that she can not win. She will be able to cross, however, even when she isn’t obsessed like her father by immigration and that she not rejects Europe, she stays, for me, the perfect embodiment of "there's solely ". The hazard is that it brings collectively all those that vote for an arm of honor, and there are increasingly more of them. So sure, she will be president. However, thank God, for now, the French have at all times been in a position to pull themselves collectively.
In 2017, who did you vote for?
I knew nothing about Macron, I used to be not going to vote for him. Holland, it was not doable given what he did to me. I didn’t really feel in a position to vote Fillon after the affairs, which, rightly or wrongly, got here out on him, so I abstained.
THEATER, CINEMA. "Claude Lelouch supplied me to redo a movie"
Gérard Verroy. You instructed us that you’ll replay "Flight over a cuckoo's nest" on the theater. Why do you need to return on stage?
The desire to carry on, when it relies upon solely on you, rapidly has limits. Take a mom who runs the 100 meters in 17 seconds, put her 100 meters from a river into which her little daughter has simply fallen, you will notice how lengthy it takes the 100 meters. As a result of, past our will, there may be in our mind capacities to mobilize sources that you don’t even suspect. However, to mobilize them, you want an exterior ingredient that forces your physique, your consciousness to surpass itself. You suppose you're on the finish, nicely no. And there, being pressured to be within the theater each evening from Could 9, it should give me a capability for resistance that I alone won’t have.
Gérard Verroy. After the performances in Paris, will there be a tour in France?
If there’s a tour, it’s high quality. For now, rehearsals will begin in April and there can be 25 performances. It’s a really onerous play, which lasts two and a half hours, in a corridor, the Folies-Bergère, with 1600 seats, with an enormous scenography and twenty actors. It's a loopy piece, and that's why nobody had performed it earlier than me in France.
Ulysse Betschart. Are you planning to make a brand new movie with Claude Lelouch?
Sure. Claude Lelouch, I have to let you know, saved my life. He stored me from dying. He requested me to play a job in "Journey is Journey". I mentioned sure after consulting my spouse, who is essential to me. Once we meet once more to signal the contracts, Lelouch tells me: “We’re touring Latin America for 5 months. I replied that it was unimaginable, "I really like my job, I don't need to be a film star". So I don't do it. Twenty years later, on the finish of the struggle in opposition to me which consisted of placing myself in liquidation, sending me to jail, making me lose all my rights, together with, maintain on tight, my paternity rights, I used to be in agony. My daughter went to high school with the police as a result of folks insulted her, my spouse suffered from morning to nighttime. I used to be killing them or disgrace or sorrow. I noticed that I used to be destroying them. There, there is just one manner, it’s to say ciao. Thereupon, Lelouch known as me and mentioned to me, "The movie that you just didn't need to make twenty years in the past, what if we made it? " (Editor's notice: it is going to be "Males, ladies, directions to be used launched in 1996".) All of the sudden, I discover a type of legitimacy to exist with out harming. It’s one thing to really feel like you might be so dangerous that you need to disappear. So, Lelouch, all he'll ask me in life can be sure.
Ulysse Betschart. And there, what did he ask you?
He proposed a mission to me which I’m very glad as a result of there can be Gérard Darmon whom I have no idea, however whom I like each as a person and as an actor. It is going to be a comedy in regards to the assembly of two characters reverse one another. He’s a hitchhiker and I’m a ruined, determined man. We meet at a fuel station, he knocks on my window. I mentioned to him, "The place are you going? "I don't know," he replies. Right here we go.
Ulysse Betschart. When ought to the movie be launched?
I haven't signed up but. Lelouch plans to movie in October.
SPORT. "PSG is the perfect workforce in Europe"
Ulysse Betschart. You've been in politics, been a enterprise proprietor, been on TV, run sports activities golf equipment … What are you most pleased with?
There are two issues I’m very pleased with: my coaching colleges which have enabled practically ten thousand unemployed younger folks to discover a job and the document for crossing the Atlantic with the "Phocéa".
Fouzia Belkhir. Do you will have an issue with the present OM leaders (Editor's notice: Bernard Tapie presided over the Olympique de Marseille from 1986 to 1994)?
I’m the bulk shareholder of "la Provence" which is the OM's reference newspaper. In order that my journalists can train their career with out being influenced, I will need to have no relation with the folks of the OM. So I by no means met them.
Fouzia Belkhir. Your son Stéphane protested that you weren’t invited to the 120th anniversary of the OM final yr. You’ve gotten talked about it since with Jacques-Henri Eyraud, the president of the membership?
My son feels issues the way in which he needs. It didn't trouble me in any respect. I’m even going to let you know: Jacques-Henri Eyraud made me say that he could be glad if in the future I got here to kick off a match. There isn’t any dispute between us.
Fouzia Belkhir. Is OM nicely managed right now?
OM are second within the standings with three factors forward of the third, however I believe the membership isn’t as sturdy as its picture.
Gérard Verroy. What measures to take in opposition to Racist Thoughts or homophobic in stadiums?
You understand, I took my daughter to the stadium for the primary time when she was four years outdated. When the goalkeeper of the opposing workforce positive factors momentum to save lots of, the supporters say "oh hoist, motherfucker". When my daughter requested me what they had been yelling, I replied: They are saying "Oh hoist, step again." We should cease: there may be not a supporter who, shouting this bullshit, thinks that the guard is gay. It’s true, an ideal society mustn’t tolerate monkey cries in stadiums when a black participant touches the ball. However we aren’t there as a result of society isn’t excellent. Those that usually are not pleased with what’s going on within the stadiums ought to perceive this.
Gérard Verroy. However what will we do then?
Me, there are issues that I couldn’t bear. After I was the boss of OM, I had a goalkeeper, Joseph-Antoine Bell, who was African. Sooner or later, guys threw bananas at him. I made preparations for the subsequent recreation. I didn't name the police, we mounted the issue the way in which you need to resolve it with morons. They had been brutally pulled at their ears they usually by no means got here again with bananas once more.
Ulysse Betschart. You’re the solely boss of a French membership to have received the Champions League. Any recommendation for PSG?
For me, as of right now, she is the perfect workforce in Europe on paper. However, if you wish to win the Champions League, you need to have a championship that’s on the stage in any other case you will have a variety of difficulties in opposition to the Spaniards, the Germans, the Italians. The weak spot of PSG right now is the weak spot of our championship.